there is only one kind of mandate that occurred in the election in november, because the public returned the republicans to the house, the democrats to the senate, and president obama to the white house. they want them to start solving problems. they are absolutely disgusted with this and if they go over this cliff, believe me, there's going to be a price to be paid and nobody's going to be a winner on it. >> yeah, but i do want to add, john, i do believe the president did get a partial mandate, at least the voters said the wealthy in this country ought to pay higher taxes. now, how you get to the higher tax, whether you raise rates, whether you reduce deductions, there are a lot of different ways to get there. the point is, i think everybody now agrees that -- not everybody agrees, but that we need more revenue and that the wealthy ought to be the first ones in line. and that seems to be reasonable, but i think the white house can get too stuck on this whole question of rates as opposed to finding a creative solution that brings in more money.